Shooter sends his heartfelt condolences to the family and friends of Jo Cox.

 

This is possibly the stupidest answer to this incredibly sad tragedy, and we'd all be better off if you would've stayed off the internet.

Yes. So is murdering someone. But you know what, it still happens. Making something illegal doesn't magically make it go away. But it reduces incidents of it happening significantly. The idea of "illegal = doesn't happen anymore" is childish, and the idea of "something keeps happening -> might as well make it legal" is even worse.

No, it's not. The world is better off today than it has ever been in the past as far as bloodshed goes. The very fact that an event like this is making international headlines luckily shows that it's a sad and horrific outlier from the norm (which is that people, let alone MP's are NOT gunned down in the street).

I think that's something everyone can agree on.

You know. I've been debating if I should reply to this topic, and this is the comment that made me do it. I've always taken you to be a very humble, very nice and incredibly calm and nuanced man. So, reading this, coming from you, to an event where a woman just lost her life and a nation is in mourning was frankly... disappointing, to say the least.

Not only because it's in terrible taste to use someone's death as a prompt to mention how the reduction of weapons proliferation couldn't stop her from dying. But also because it totally misses the mark. As I said above, keeping guns away from people will not stop gun-related deaths entirely, but it reduces those incidents so significantly that one would need to be a fool not to see the correlation there.

However, all of this aside: That poor woman just lost her life, for nothing, and her poor kids and husband will miss her forever and always. It's a sad, sad day for the UK, and decent people shouldn't try to make some political capital out of it. We can talk gun control another time, but let's just mourn the dead first, okay?

 

I think it is awful and that position doesn't change according to your political affliations, whether or not you are pro gun or anti gun, it is independent of your religion, or opinions on someone elses faith . Its just Awful

Remember that there is a husband whose has lost his wife and two young children who wont get a chance to grow into adulthood with a Mum

 

Yes it's awful, a tragedy.

The U.K. has tight gun laws yet the lady was still shot. If someone wants a gun they will get one, irrespective of the law. Like drugs there will always be a seller and a buyer.

 

I just pulled this from the bbc website which still leaves a lot of questions!

*not_secure_link*www.bbc.com/news/uk-36558386

If he is part of "Britain First" then I doubt that fact will come out until after the vote next week!

Fine evening here so I think I will go to the cricket club watch the 20/20 and sink a few jars!

Later........

Thinskin

 

So very sad. I am afraid for where the world is heading.

Mr Mair's name appears on a website listing him as a past subscriber to the SA Patriot - a magazine published by a South African pro-apartheid group.

The magazine issued a statement confirming that he appeared to have been a subscriber back in the 1980s, but said his subscription was not renewed and that those involved in the publication had never met him.

Meanwhile a US civil rights group, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), claimed it had obtained records showing Mr Mair had links with the US neo-Nazi organisation National Alliance (NA) between 1999 and 2003.

The UK is damn lucky Trump isn't there Prime Minister. He would bar Americans from entering the UK, because of this killer's ties to terrorist acts like this form the US group.

 

Assuming this works, this guy makes sense. Which means that that section of our North American friends whose solution is more guns, won't understand.
https://www.facebook.com/LBC/videos/10154053359791558/

 

He also stabbed an old man who was 77 years old and trying to help her.

 

The guy was a nutter.

 

Well he has been remanded now and from what I have seen his motives are clearly extreme right-wing and related to the leave campaign along with all the other lunatics!

So it turns out that the people were not spreading lies Dave but rather than waiting for some evidence you chose to spread your lies!

Rest in Peace Jo Cox we will miss you!!

Thinskin

 

Well the guy is clearly a nut.. Appearing in court he gave his name as:

'Death to traitors, freedom for Britain' and remained silent on all other matters.

 

He's a terrorist. I waited for some facts to come out. I never lied to anyone. Although he does appear to have some mental issues.
. I'm flabbergasted by the attempts of the Remain campaign to use this act of terror to their political advantage. Calling for "calm amongst brexit supporters" like there is some kind of widespread violence associated with the out camp. Painting the 'In' campaign as refugee supporting charity workers, and the Out camp as white nationalists. Some people have even called for the referendum to be called off. This is a one off incident, and while it's important to reflect on Jo Cox's life and work, we should not be giving this the gunman the right to decide how we have our democracy, it's time to move on, and stop trying to political point score off a tragic death.

 

.I did not know NRA members were stupid. Are you brits all smart? Lol!

 

The murder rate in the UK is per 100,000 inhabitants per year is 1.0. In the United States it is 3.9.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

 

Switzerland has a murder rate 0.5, half of what the UK murder rate is. And gun ownership (assault rifle) is mandatory in Switzerland....

 

No, it is not. That is a lie perpetuated by gun nuts primarily, where else, but in the United States; although it is not exclusive to them. Switzerland has very strict gun laws, unlike of course, yours.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/switzerland.php

 

Perhaps you should read the information in the links you post....

The Weapons Act contains a comprehensive regime for the licensing of the acquisition and carrying of permitted weapons; the banning of certain weapons, including automatic firearms; and the production and trade in weapons, including the reporting obligations of dealers and a registration system that covers all privately owned guns, including those acquired by inheritance, but not including hunting rifles. The federal Weapons Act is implemented by the cantons and the cantons also keep registers of privately owned guns. The provisions on ammunition are in keeping with the principles of the Act, which aims to deter abuse while permitting lawful gunownership.43]

No license is required for transactions between private individuals. Instead, these are permitted as long as the seller verifies the identity and age of the buyer by checking an official identification document and as long as he has no reason to believe that the buyer has been or should be disqualified from gun ownership.

 

Did you even read the link ?

In Switzerland, military service is compulsory for all able-bodied men, and alternative civil service is only available for conscientious objectors. Those unwilling to serve must pay a fine.32] Conscription begins at age nineteen,33] and the duty to serve ends between the ages of thirty-four and fifty, depending on the rank of the militiaman.34]

Militiamen are issued personal equipment, which includes a personal weapon and ammunition.35] The militiaman is authorized to keep the weapon in his home,36] unless he decides to deposit it in his unit’s armory.37] When the militiaman retires, he may keep the personal weapon,38] provided it has been properly maintained by the qualified technicians of his military unit.39]

 

Quite frankly I think the campaigning on both sides has been more like playground games.......there is very little hard information available as to the costs and consequences of exiting the EU compared to remaining within the EU! The fact is though that this one idiot was incited to kill someone who, from what I have read, did nothing but good! Exactly who incited him will come out subsequently after the vote.

My prediction is that we will have a referendum result based upon less that a 50% turnout. I would have liked to have seen the referendum vote be compulsory and they could include an abstention box on the ballot paper. Although quite why we bother electing politicians if they resort to referenda is a concern for me! Boris is in the game because he wants to be prime minister whether he fucks the country or not and Farage just wants to make a buck!

I think both the Scots and the Welsh (not sure about NI) will vote to remain, while the vote in England could go either way. So we will stumble from one constitutional crisis to another.

I also think it is sad that, in this age, the emphasis is upon the differences between peoples rather than the commonalities. That the EU needs reform is without question but blaming all the ills of the UK on immigration is just scare mongering!

I am a Brit living in Amsterdam so my view is a little different from say my mum who lives in Manchester and thinks the "Pakis" are to blame for everything!

Thinskin