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  1. toniter

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    And so, if this is the case, why is Tuberville objecting and holding hostage the confirmation of the armed services leaders?
     
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      Where does it say the travel costs are illegal?

      https://nwlc.org/resource/faq-actio...es/#:~:text=Yes.,for travel for abortion care.

      The military seems to think otherwise.
       
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      And addressing each one individually would require hundreds of hours of time, making the whole process inefficient and pointless.

      This is nothing more than you trying to shift the blame from Tuberville to the Democrats.
       
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    I guess as long as it is in politics, makes refering to people as racist, traitors, bigots, and idiots for supporting a political party, is not name calling. Or is it OK as long as no one complains about the libtard?
     
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    As usual he's just lying trying to distract and deflect from the fact he supports hurting our troops, their families, military redness, national defense, and national security over nothing more than Sharia Law For Christians enforced by the American Taliban who consider women second class citizens they can dictate to.

    Pregnant soldiers won't be court-martialed, commander says
    *not_secure_link*www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/22/iraq.us.soldiers.pregnancy/index.html



    General: No court-martial for pregnant soldiers
    A U.S. general in Iraq who listed pregnancy as a reason for court-martialing soldiers said Tuesday that he would never actually seek jail time, but wanted to underline the seriousness of the issue.
    https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna34524436


    Senators Demand General Rescind Order on Pregnant Soldiers
    https://abcnews.go.com/WN/general-backs-off-threat-court-martial-pregnant-soldiers/story?id=9399604
     
    1. shootersa
      American Hater lies again. In fact, American Hater fucking lies again.

      Shooter's record on supporting the military is clear and consistent. He supports our military and those who serve and have served.

      Typical American Hater hate speak.
       
      shootersa, Sep 20, 2023
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      Troops with traumatic brain inures just have head aches.
       
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    Senator’s Blockade of Military Promotions Begins to Cut Deep
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    President Biden has nominated Air Force Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr. to become the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. (Doug Mills/The New York Times)
















    WASHINGTON — Near the river entrance of the outermost ring of the Pentagon, where visiting dignitaries are greeted with full honors, the hallways that usually house photos of senior military leaders are more bare these days.

    A section reserved for the country’s most senior military leaders will be missing four photos out of eight when Gen.

    , the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, steps down Oct. 1. And a space for a photo that would make history, of a woman on that wall for the first time, will be empty, too.

    For more than six months, Sen.

    , R-Ala., has held up military nominations in protest of a Pentagon policy created to ensure that service members have access to abortions and other reproductive medical care. Hundreds of promotions have now been delayed in a battle that has it all.




    It is a showdown between a white former football coach and the country’s first Black defense secretary, two Alabama men, both with deep roots at Auburn University. It is a preview of just how much of an albatross the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade might be on Republicans in elections next year. And it is a political game of chicken in which the country’s national security is at stake.

    Caught in the middle is the Pentagon and the people picked by the military and the White House to fill top positions: the Army and Air Force chiefs of staff; the chief of naval operations and the Marine Corps commandant; the head of the Missile Defense Agency; the undersecretary of defense — the Pentagon’s top policy post — who helps manage the American response to a surging Chinese military and the war in Ukraine and everything in between.

    And many more.

    The problem will be on sharp display in coming weeks when Milley retires. In May,

    nominated Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr. of the Air Force to become the next chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. But the vice chair, Adm. Christopher Grady of the Navy, will serve as acting chair until the blockade is lifted.

    Many of the other senior positions will also be filled on an “acting” basis. But acting officials are transition figures — like substitute teachers in grade school. They cannot hire people to staff their new positions. They cannot move into the quarters that come with the job. They cannot impose any long-term vision on the military.

    The holds are cutting deep at a time when the military is struggling to meet recruiting goals that would keep the number of active-duty service members at 1.4 million, the strength that planners say is necessary to protect Americans at home and U.S. national security interests abroad. The Pentagon had hoped to offset lackluster recruiting by retaining more people.


    Tuberville’s holds make that almost impossible.

    The U.S. military is an all-volunteer force. The officers most affected by the holds are top performers who could easily find more lucrative jobs in the private sector — captains, majors, colonels and generals who have already met the 20-year service requirement that allows them to retire with a full military pension. The military manages to keep many of these people by promoting them to more senior and challenging positions.

    If promotions are denied, one frustrated senior officer said in an interview, what is the point of staying if you already qualify for your pension? The most talented will leave first, the officer said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the issue publicly.

    Moreover, the holds on senior jobs mean the junior jobs that accompany them will remain unfilled too, leaving thousands of military families in limbo, unsure when they will have to move or where they will live in the foreseeable future.


    “These are middle-class, working-class families who are saying, ‘We can’t enroll our child in school because we don’t know when we’re going to move,’ ” said Kathy Roth-Douquet, the CEP of Blue Star Families, a nonprofit organization founded in 2009 by military spouses.

    Those families may be in purgatory for some time.

    With a slew of military bases in red states that put new abortion restrictions in place after the Supreme Court decision, Defense Secretary

    ordered the department to offer time off and travel reimbursement to service members who need to go out of state for abortions. The policy does not fund abortions — under federal law, the Defense Department can perform the procedure only when the life of the mother is at risk or in cases of rape and incest.

    Even as criticism of the delays grows louder — including from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., who Tuesday called the holds a “mistake” — Tuberville has refused to back down. He denies that the holds are hurting the military and insists that Democrats could put each job to a vote on the Senate floor, a process that would take hours per nomination.

    But with the abortion issue proving to be a loser for Republicans, Democrats in the Senate have little political incentive to negotiate. Democratic leaders say that making an exception, even for Brown, would set a damaging precedent.

    Unless Republican leaders lean on the freshman senator to lift his hold, the fight could drag on for months, and perhaps all the way through the presidential election next year.

    Peter D. Feaver, a professor at Duke University who has studied the armed forces, said that U.S. troops “are the noncombatants in the culture war, and they’re getting slaughtered.”

    “We have to develop a new norm where we give the uniformed military noncombatant immunity in the culture wars, and that means we have to stop targeting them, which is what Sen. Tuberville is doing over culture war issues,” said Feaver, the author of “Thanks for Your Service: The Causes and Consequences of Public Confidence In The U.S. Military.”

    Brown, who would be only the second Black man to be chair, after Colin Powell, was easily cleared by the Senate Armed Services Committee on July 20 on a voice vote. All that remains is a vote on the Senate floor.

    Enter Tuberville, a former football coach at Auburn University and a first-term senator from Alabama.

    Tuberville, his aides said, considered Austin a fellow Alabamian. After all, Austin got a master’s degree at Auburn and served on the school’s board of trustees, although not at the same time that Tuberville was football coach. Austin, a retired Army general, was one of the few Biden political nominees whom the Alabama senator voted for, according to one of Tuberville’s staff members.

    But Austin “ignored letter after letter from Coach,” Steven Stafford, a spokesperson for Tuberville, said in an interview. For months, he said, the senator warned that he would put a hold on nominations over the abortion policy. But Austin did not get on the phone with the Alabama senator until March, Stafford said, adding that the two men have spoken twice since then.

    Both Tuberville and Austin declined to comment for this article.

    Sabrina Singh, a Pentagon spokesperson, said that Austin and the Defense Department “have and continue to engage Sen. Tuberville and his office in good faith and directly relayed how his holds on our general and flag officers undermine our military readiness, threaten the retention of some of our very best officers and disrupt the lives of our military families.”

    Privately, several military officials have complained that Austin could have done more before the senator put the holds in place. Part of the job of defense secretary is to talk to congressional leaders, if only to prevent political fires from starting. Austin’s critics — and even several of his allies — say that while he may not have been able to change Tuberville’s course of action, he should have at least tried.

    Austin’s aides say he has no intention of changing the abortion policy. “A service member in Alabama deserves to have the same access to health care as a service member in California, as a service member stationed in Korea,” Singh told reporters last month. “If you are a service member stationed in a state that has rolled back or restricted health care access, you are often stationed there because you were assigned there — it is not that you chose to go there.”

    This summer, VoteVets, a progressive political action veterans group, launched ads across Alabama, and, more recently, Florida, that drew a direct line from Tuberville to American national security. “Senator, you wouldn’t take Auburn to the Iron Bowl without your offensive and defensive coordinators on the field,” the actor, a veteran himself, says in one ad. “So stop sacrificing our national security for your political gains.”

    At his confirmation hearing in June, Gen. Eric Smith of the Marines, the would-be commandant, told senators that a one-star general, “a fairly new one,” would be in charge of a 48,000-person Marine expeditionary force. In a military where rank is everything, these situations will harm decision-making, military officials said.

    National security has already been affected, according to the Pentagon. Consider the Navy’s 5th Fleet and 7th Fleet, which handle the Middle East and the Pacific. Vice Adm. Brad Cooper and Vice Adm. Karl Thomas are being kept on as commanders because Navy officials say it is crucial to have three-stars in those positions for dealing with allies and adversaries alike. Thomas is supposed to be the next director of naval intelligence. But he cannot leave the Pacific until Tuberville removes his hold.

    In July, Biden nominated Adm. Lisa Franchetti to the Navy’s highest-ranking position after the retirement of Adm. Michael Gilday. She would be the first woman to lead the service.

    Gilday’s photo came down after he relinquished command Aug. 14. But Franchetti’s picture will not go up until she is confirmed by the Senate.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senator-blockade-military-promotions-begins-173327099.html
     
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    A full page of American Hater's hate speak that adds nothing to the discussion.

    Hey American Hater, why is it Schumer won't just put through the promotions individually, which, you know, Tuberville can't block?
    We know why.
    It's become a pissing match between Tuberville and Schumer.
     
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    Take note of one of his favorite little phony tricks where he asks questions or asks for proof. The questions are answered and/or the proof provided. Then he just pretends that didn't happen and goes to another thread or even just gets a new page and does the same thing again. Its all just part of his phony dishonest method of operation.






    And I will get more on it later but if the reports I am seeing are correct Schumer has agreed to allow the individual promotions of about three high ranking officers Tuberville is taking the most heat over.

    But that is just another testament to how phony and false treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans, including the ones right here are when they claim to support our military troops and veterans are. How does allowing a few of the top brass move forward help the hundreds of officers and their families Tuberville is punishing over his grandstanding? Punishing totally innocent members of our armed forces and their families with the treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republican support we see right here. And then want to try and pretend they support our troops and veterans.
     
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    If Schumer had gotten started on this back in say, May, they'd have had them all completed, could push the appropriations bill to a vote, and everyone could move on.
    Schumer doesn't want to do that.
    It's a pissing match now.
    Ah. So Schumer is getting heat to fucking do something and end this impasse. So he offers up a dog bone of three promotions to go through the process he could have started months ago, and Tuberville would have lost the pissing match.
    It seems the only heat Tuberville is getting is from butt hurt despicables. The deplorables are backing Tuberville.
     
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    To see who really hates the United States of Anerica abd sees our troops and milutary as cheap political props all we have to do is look at who supports Tuberville and denand everyone must bow to just one man.

    Just like they do with Trump.
     
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    More hate speak from the American Hater.
    Every time Shooter see's Stumbler's avatar he's reminded that Stumbler calls America a "shithole country" and a "banana republic".
    You can't hate America more than that.
     
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      Yep,
       
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    Says a trumptard who supports and defends a sitting President who tried to sow distrust in our elections, schemed to overturn an election he lost, and incited a riot at the US Capitol on the very day congress was meeting to certify Biden's electoral victory.

    You can't hate America more than that, eh
     
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      Jumping the gun does not make facts, it is just as probable pelosi is behind more then her share of treason. Pick your evil.
       
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    Which can also be seen in the lies they constantly tell. I have consistently pointed out it was Trump and his treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans that drug the United States of America down to the level of a third world banana republic shit hole country run by a tin horn dictator that attempted the first coup in American history and incited an armed, violent, deadly insurrection ending a more than 230 year history and tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. And no, you cannot possibly hate the United States of America more than that.

    And proof that treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans, including the ones here, don't really care about our military, troops, their families and our veterans is also just obvious. Its all over this thread. And Traitor Trump, the Chosen One they still worship always proved he sees our troops and veterans as nothing more than props to be used for his personal political gain. Just like the fake patriots here that love to use our troops and veterans for cheap emotional political points, but when the chips are down and our troops need their help back Trump and Tuberville instead.




    'No one wants to see that': Trump reportedly recoiled at sight of severely wounded veteran

    Travis Gettys
    September 21, 2023 9:23AM ET


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    Former President Donald Trump (Win McNamee/Getty Images)


    Donald Trump snarled about seeing a severely wounded veteran sing at an event held during his presidency at a military base.

    The former president attended the welcome ceremony for Gen. Mark Milley as he assumed the role of chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in late 2019, and Milley had chosen U.S. Army Capt. Luis Avila to sing “God Bless America," according to a lengthy profile of published in The Atlantic.

    "Avila, who had completed five combat tours, had lost a leg in an IED attack in Afghanistan, and had suffered two heart attacks, two strokes, and brain damage as a result of his injuries," wrote editor-in-chief Jeffrey Goldberg. "To Milley, and to four-star generals across the Army, Avila and his wife, Claudia, represented the heroism, sacrifice, and dignity of wounded soldiers."

    The ground was soft from rain earlier in the day, and Avila's wheelchair at one point nearly toppled over, and Milley's wife Hollyanne and then-vice president Mike Pence ran over to help.


    "After Avila’s performance, Trump walked over to congratulate him, but then said to Milley, within earshot of several witnesses, 'Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded,'" Goldberg wrote. "Never let Avila appear in public again, Trump told Milley."

    Recently, however, Milley invited Avila to sing at his retirement ceremony.




    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-wounded-veteran/
     
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    Oh looky!
    The senate in fact did exactly what they could have done months ago if Schumer hadn't gotten his panties bunched up and decided a pissing match with Tuberville served the country's needs. 3 Confirmations in one day. Imagine that.

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    Treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who only pretend to care about our military, our troops, their families, military readiness, national defense, and national security will always come up with some lie to try and cover up their bitter hate for the United States of America, And their support for Sharia Law For Christians enforced by the American talisman against our armed forces. This thread is just full of examples of that. Such as Majority leader Schumer and the Democrats could have been passing these promotions individually.

    Just another treasonous lie. When Tuberville first pulled his phony lying grandstanding stunt back in February there were already 150 promotions waiting because it had always been just a routine function with overwhelming bipartisan support. So even that would have taken 350 hours of Senate time which is impossible.

    So its really easy to see both the hate for America and the disdain for our troops and their families when treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans will resort to phony lies like that.



    Tuberville is showing how much power one lawmaker wields under Senate rules
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    The Dome of the U.S. Capitol Building is visible in a reflection on Capitol Hill on Jan. 23, 2023.

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    If you follow Senate action, you may have noticed lately how a single lawmaker is using senatorial privileges to bend the will of the chamber to his own.

    Since February, the senator has been blocking every personnel move in the U.S. military that requires confirmation. Starting with a "senatorial hold" on what was then 150 personnel moves waiting for approval in batches, he is now up to at least 270 — and counting.

    That lawmaker is Sen. Tommy Tuberville, a Republican from Alabama who has been in the Senate for a little over two years. Tuberville likes to say "there is no one more military than me." And while he has not served in the military himself, he regularly features Alabama service members on his senatorial website.




    Notably, the positions without permanent replacements include that of the Marine Commandant, a post that is now unfilled for the first time since the Civil War. The commandant is a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the senior uniformed leadership of the U.S. military.

    Three more members of the Joint Chiefs, including its chairman, Army General Mark Milley, will reach the end of their terms in August and September. That would leave half the Joint Chiefs positions without permanent Senate-confirmed nominees if the Alabama senator remains unmoved.

    But for months Tuberville has resisted the entreaties of his colleagues and a formal letter of protest signed by seven previous secretaries of defense who served presidents from both parties.

    President Biden, the commander in chief of the armed forces, on Thursday called Tuberville's actions "totally irresponsible" and said they threatened national security.

    So the situation raises several obvious questions. Why is this one senator doing this? How does he have the power to do it all alone? Why can't Senate leaders stop this single actor? And, finally, is this really the way the Senate wants to continue to operate in the 21st century?

    Let's take those one at a time.




    Why is Tuberville doing this?
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    In two words: abortion policy. He has said he wants to overturn the Pentagon policy of granting leave and travel expenses for military personnel who cannot obtain an abortion in the state where they are stationed. For example, Alabama, which has one of the strictest limits on abortion in the country, has six military facilities. Tuberville told Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin in a committee hearing earlier this year that the taxpayer should not be "on the hook" for such costs. He says it violates the Hyde Amendment that bans federal funding for abortion.

    What other objectives Tuberville may have, we can only speculate. It is not unusual for first-term senators to look for issues that may raise their profile. Tuberville has yet to make much of a mark beyond Alabama, although he was very widely known for his exploits as a football coach at Auburn University, and other schools.

    Tuberville is also known for having defeated former senator and U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions in their state's Republican primary in 2020. Tuberville won that faceoff with the support of former President Trump, who had appointed and fired Sessions as the head of the Department of Justice.

    Little noticed in his first two years in office, Tuberville has since become a frequent guest or topic on cable TV news and in the political press, particularly the most partisan publications on both sides. His focus on abortion has at times been overshadowed by his remarks about the military's rejection of white nationalists in the ranks. Tuberville told one interviewer his definition of a white nationalist was "an American." After that remark was denounced by a number of his colleagues, Tuberville said he did believe white nationalists were racists.

    But Tuberville has in no way backed down on his stance regarding abortion, or the policy of the Pentagon with regard to active duty personnel who become pregnant. Having at one time said he would release his hold if the Senate held a vote on the issue, he has more recently said he will not do so until the Pentagon rescinds the policy.

    Tuberville's challenge to Pentagon policy in the Senate dovetails with similar efforts in the House. On Friday, the House narrowly approved the annual National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which regularly renews statutory authority for the Pentagon's myriad functions and programs. This year's House version would end the Pentagon policy to which Tuberville is objecting. An amendment to that effect was added to the bill in the early hours of the morning on Thursday at the insistence of the House Freedom Caucus, some members of which have spoken out in support of Tuberville. "He's got backup here in the House," said Rep. Ronny Jackson, R-Texas, lead sponsor of the amendment.




    But that language is not expected to be in Senate version of the bill, which has yet to be approved. Nor is the Senate expected to approve, or even vote on, a separate bill by Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, that addresses the Pentagon policy in question.

    So Tuberville's objective is not likely to be achieved by legislation.

    How can one senator do this alone?
    In two words: unanimous consent. Among the mysteries of Senate procedure that mystify most Americans, perhaps none is more curious than the concept of unanimous consent.

    As congressional scholars Casey Burgat and Charles Hunt put it in their 2023 textbook Congress Explained, "the Senate's rules grant incredibly powerful privileges to all Senators ... that greatly affect how and if the chamber schedules" floor action on any subject.

    While the House has a Rules Committee that orders the debate and voting on pieces of legislation, the Senate relies heavily on consent agreements negotiated by the party leaders. Such "unanimous consent agreements" have evolved to be a crucial means of bringing Senate business to the floor for formal consideration.

    Former Senate Majority Leader Robert C. Byrd (who died in 2010 after a record 51 years as a senator) once said unanimous consent was used for "easily 98 percent of the business of the Senate" that reached the floor for consideration.

    And Mitch McConnell, the Republican from Kentucky who is the current GOP leader and the record-holder for longevity in that role once quipped that the Senate "requires unanimous consent to turn the lights on before noon."

    Burgat and Hunt have written that "because any one senator can tank a UC request or agreement, party leaders must maintain very open lines of communication with each member within their caucuses."

    And under normal circumstances, they do so. Their staffs stay in touch with members of their respective parties obsessively so as to be informed and accommodative — and to know when a UC agreement can be reached and the Senate can proceed.


    But once in a while, an individual senator pushes the envelope.

    Why don't the Senate leaders stop him?
    The current Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has made it clear he considers Tuberville's blockade an abuse and an outrage. The GOP's McConnell has also said he does not support the "blanket hold" on military nominations. Both have acknowledged the pleas coming from the Pentagon and from the ranks, and they have done what they could to encourage Tuberville to stand down.

    But the leaders cannot simply bulldoze the senator from Alabama. Their power is restrained by Senate rules and traditions and by the sentiments of their respective caucuses.

    If the issue here were an ordinary piece of legislation, the leaders would seek a unanimous consent agreement that would bring that matter to the floor. Individual senators may object to that with a notice that they seek "extended debate" on that legislation. This is an implicit threat to filibuster, and the majority leader routinely files a cloture petition and holds a vote.

    If cloture fails, the legislation does not go to the floor. If three-fifths of the Senate supports cloture, the legislation can be brought to the floor with time limits on debate.

    Presidential nominations have been largely exempt from this since 2013 when a Democratic Senate majority decided only nominations to the Supreme Court would be subject to filibusters. In 2017, a Republican majority decided to extend that exemption to include Supreme Court nominations.

    Nonetheless, Tuberville's maneuver has the effect of freezing confirmations for the current backlog presidential nominations because they are submitted in batches for group consideration and approval. The batching procedure itself requires unanimous consent, allowing even one senator to stand in the way.

    The Senate majority leader could bring the nominations to the floor one by one for consideration by regular procedure, but that would require two to three days for each. Had the Senate tried to individually process even the first 150 promotions Tuberville blocked back in February, it could have done little else in the months since – and it would still be far behind on confirmations. That is scarcely practical when the military alone submits hundreds a year and the larger executive branch far more.

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    Moreover, just as the Pentagon bristles at having a single senator dictate its personnel policy, so the Senate leaders are loath to have individual senators deciding when and if the Senate can proceed with normal business using its usual procedures – such as the batching of nominations.

    Is this really the way the Senate wants to be?
    Does a Tuberville-style use of senatorial privilege strain relations with other senators and especially the leadership? Surely it does. It may even mark an individual for years, affecting their careers in the chamber. Surely Republican Ted Cruz of Texas, paid a price in terms of such relationships after he pushed a government shutdown as a first-year senator in 2013.

    But there instances when the notice to be gained for an issue — or for an individual senator — may seem worth the notoriety that goes with this kind of tactic.

    The Senate has long styled itself as "the greatest deliberative body in the world." That is both a boast and an invitation for the institution to be held to its own standard — to be judged against its own image of itself.

    But when it comes to changing the Senate's "standing rules" — or its powerful precedents, practices, customs and folkways – the members of the club have been wary of reforms that would reduce their own privileges.

    They may decry an egregious case such as Tuberville's, or speak against the hold or the filibuster. They may criticize the Senate as a whole as being too often anti-democratic in its procedures.

    But when it comes to voting for actual reform, senators tend to remember their own reliance on those "incredibly powerful privileges" scholars note they are granted under the rules.

    More than a few senators have come to regret the curtailment of the filibuster on nominations back in 2013, which was occasioned by a blanket hold on all presidential nominations of then-President Obama. That blanket hold had been placed by another Republican from Alabama, Richard Shelby, since retired.



    Democrats applauded that limitation on the filibuster then, but many felt differently when it was extended to include Supreme Court nominations in 2017. It is an open question whether any of Trump's three appointments to the Supreme Court could h

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  16. shootersa

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    The American Hater is doing a fine job of projecting today.
    "Treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans who only pretend to care about our military, our troops, their families, military readiness, national defense, and national security will always come up with some lie to try and cover up their bitter hate for the United States of America, And their support for Sharia Law For Christians enforced by the American talisman against our armed forces."​

    This from the man who calls America a "shithole country" and a "banana republic" all because his man(woman) had the throne she'd been promised slipped out from under her by a pompous gas bag.

    The rest of his rant and bullshit requires no further comment. It's just his usual hate speak.
     
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    .thanks for pointing this out. Now I would like to point a few things out. I'll do so after your quoted statement.
    "I have consistently pointed out it was Trump and his treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republicans that drug the United States of America down to the level of a third world banana republic shit hole country run by a tin horn dictator that attempted the first coup in American history and incited an armed, violent, deadly insurrection ending a more than 230 year history and tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. "
    Since you pointed it out, us less then Americans in your eyes, must believe you? The media you constantly paste from? That you are above every other American, simple by your believes? First wrong on your part, you have no right to talk down to any citizen, your repeated ignorance of doing so, only reenforces your half cocked beliefs that you do. No one gives three flying fucks what you think, believe, insist on, swear by, or paste, print, or say.
    Your wrongs have no impact, you don't learn, but insist on dictating, facts are only for your choosing, don't like it, not a fact.
    Call it what you want, the American against American, known as the civil war, is, was, and always will be American against American. The Democratic Republic this country was, is, and will remain, belongs to the people, not your party, your ideals, or your beliefs. Your supremacist attitude is more unAmerican than anything you complain against. It is the freedom this country allows, that allows your supremacist attitude. Your thinking, Mr. EMT, that you know better, been educated better, raised better, life experiences are better, live better than any other citizen is not how true Americans look at their fellow Americans.
    Now that I pointed out, a thing or two, carry on, it is your right. The ignorant entertainment you offer up in seriousness, is priceless.
     
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      If I was you I would be be very worried if I came back to this and re-read it and realized is does not make any sense. Maybe drink a little orange juice. A bite to eat. Some vitamins if you can't. And then try to get some sleep. Hint: That shadow you keep seeing over your shoulder but when you look again isn't there there. Isnt' me. You just need to take the plunge and come down for a while.
       
      stumbler, Sep 21, 2023
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      You don't worry me in the least, their is no one over my shoulder. I never claimed to be a grammer scholar, or even good at spelling, you seem to understand it well enough to make the asumption I have some paranoia of you watching over my shoulder.
       
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      It makes as much sense as it did when I wrote it. So I won't be be looking over my shoulder to see who isn't there there.

      Have a Dr. Pepper.
       
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    That’s why I said he’s CCP.
     
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    @crhurricane your post is prophetic and worth repeating.
    "The Democratic Republic this country was, is, and will remain, belongs to the people, not your party, your ideals, or your beliefs."​
     
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      Had to look up prohetic, in truth, the wife did, lol. There is another post asking a question, concerning prophecies, no it ain't me, lol, now or ever...;)
       
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    Apparently I need to repeat myself here to combat the lies.




    And now I will prove that with a very simple question no treasonous conservative/America Hating/Republican will answer. And when it goes unanswered you will know I am the one speaking the truth.

    Tuberville is a US Senator. So instead of holding more than 300 military officer's promotions hostage, harming them their families, our military readiness, national defense ad national security hostage, if he objects to the DOD policy, as a Senator why doesn't he put those objections in a bill prohibiting military members from being reimbursed for travel to another state to receive reproductive health care in a bill and bring it to the floor for a vote?

    Isn't that supposed to be how our democracy works?

    You will not see an answer to that very simple question with a straightforward simple answer. If there is a reply at all it will be what about this.?What about that? Well this one time? Things like that. But not an explanation of whey Tuberville doesn't just bring his objections to the floor for a vote. And that is how we know the real America haters who see our troops and their families as just suckers and losers.

    That no one wants to see anyway.
     
    1. crhurricane
      He is just one of one hundred, be a bit of a mess if anyone of the hundred could just make laws as they please. why doesn't he put those objections in a bill, not being him, you should ask him. what about this.?What about that? Well this one time? This, that, this one time? Nope not even once. And to be honest, not knowing the issue here fully, I intentionally don't read more then a couple sentence of what you post, I might agree with you on this one. I admit that much, until I learn more, most likely. Either way nothing is ever proven here or else where in this forum.
       
      crhurricane, Sep 21, 2023